Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christoph Müller

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The result was keep. Spinning Spark 20:32, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Christoph Müller

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Possibly non-notable ski jumper; there appears to be no sources on Google that can confirm it. The German, French and Polish Wikipedias only link to the same FIS listing as the english version, and WP:NSPORT doesn't have any specific criteria for ski jumping.

The other criteria from WP:NSPORT#Generally_acceptable_standards is that a person must "have participated in a major international amateur or professional competition at the highest level such as the Olympics." The FIS World Cup is likely to be such a tournament, and consists of 25-30 individual competitions. Of these, Müller participated in 5 spread over two seasons. His best result was as no. 12, finishing between 60 and 97 in the other four jumps. Does this make him notable? (Also, the article is more or less identical with the other languages, and has been tagged with {{notability}} since december 2007. Bjelleklang - talk 10:59, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Has he competed at the Olympics ? If no then the we are looking for coverage of him in RS's, not routine reports of results, I can't seem to find any at the moment, so am inclined to say delete but will leave it a few days and see if I get more time to look. Mtking^(edits) 11:18, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- He hasn't competed at the olympics as far as I know, but those are just given as an example in the guideline. As far as I know, the world cup qualifies as a major international (...) competition at the highest level, but the question is if there needs to be a cutoff; either competing in a majority of the individual jumps, or finishing eg. amongst the top 50 athletes. I also checked a few german sites, and there appears to be two skijumpers by the name Christoph Müller, this one and a younger one mentioned as a talent in at least one source. Bjelleklang - talk 12:40, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Lean delete: Looking at the French, German and Polish versions, I cannot figure out what they are basing notability on. No WhatLinksHere to explain. I don't speak German so cannot look at the German language sources easily. If some one can say they checked German language newspaper sources and found him, would lean keep. --LauraHale (talk) 11:29, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
lean delete The German version says, in addition, that he finished 2nd in one Euro Cup competition, 3rd in another; in off-season training he hurt himself and had to lay off the next year, and dropped out of competition shortly after the new season started. There's also something about him coaching the second string team. Of course this is all unsourced. I'm not that strong on sports notability but from the comments made so far it sounds as though this additional info isn't going to put him over the top. Mangoe (talk) 13:34, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:31, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, world cup jumper. Geschichte (talk) 15:26, 4 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 10:11, 11 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - He has competed at the highest level of his sport which would be the world cup ski jumping events. As an Austrian ski jumper, sources might not be readily available in English, and having competed in 1987/88 before the widespread use of the internet, online sources may be hard to come by. The information is verifiable via the FIS profile, so we do not have an issue of verifiability, or any WP:BLP violations. -- Whpq (talk) 18:02, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Cheers, Riley Huntley 00:42, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Competing in World Cup events means that he is of encyclopedic relevance. --Michig (talk) 13:00, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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